>> i think this is the big question. either that was a brilliant performance, where no one can lay a glove on him, because he didn't know anything and can't speak to any of the details, or he really has lost it. i think that all of my experience with him, and all of the experience of other people who have worked with him say that he is very much in the details of his company and the operations. >> what were your impressions? do you think that he was being gen wine or not? do you think the members of parliament were convinced he didn't know anything? >> i think for once, reverend al, being 80 years old was deployed to great effect. he looked pitiful and pained, couldn't remember names, places, times. couldn't remember the fact that reporters under his watch in his company blackmailed, paid police officers, illegally hacked people's phones. he didn't know any of it. yet interestingly, whenever it came to answering the direct question, he was absolutely adamant and robust -- no, he didn't know, and it was all the blame of p